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I'm rereading the JR manga now and noticing that the bookstores in one of the Terrorist chapters is Marimo (aka the same bookstore that Yukina works at XD). Apparently there are quite a few hints in SH, too, to JR--like posters in the background that are JR art XD

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NAISE I AM VERY EXCITED FOR YUKINA YESSSSSSS.

and my friend has corrected me. In fact, isaka did get usagi to send his first manuscripts to marukawa directly "send this to a company, no wait, my company immediately." and she reminded me that Usagi is apparently contracted to more than one publisher but marukawa is the main one, and i guess that kind of makes sense.

Yes, i suspected there was more to the scenes than what was shown in the anime, but unfortunately the fact that it was never made into manga meant that I couldnt (like what i did for ritsuXtakano) just go and check what juicy bits were left out HAHA. They really went all out with the censoring this time! The library scene was completely cut!

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They really went all out with the censoring this time! The library scene was completely cut!

Mmm, you mean the library scene when they were in high school? Cause that's in the OVA, albeit with a fade-to-black before any of the "good" parts XD I dunno, I just accept that they can't show porn on cable TV, even at 1:30 in the morning XD It's all there in the manga so that's good enough for me :D

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Haha yes i did mean that episode but usually for sex scenes in junjou they at least acknowledged it happened with the before -----censored------ after scenes usually. Ah well, manga it is!

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Actually, I get the feeling that this anime is less explicit than Junjo, while the manga is way more explicit!
And I really wanna see Yukina too :D

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That's true, but then again, there hasn't been much chance for anything to GET explicit except for flashbacks. Ritsu doesn't actually have sex for a while (at least two more episodes or so of his case).

I'm interested in how explicit the Yukina/Kisa stuff'll get since they're like...the most explicit ones I feel like XD *loves them*

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Yes, is like they cut off some stuff, right?
I downloaded the dorama CDs and the feeling is kind of different.
Also, the old story of Ritsu and Takano is oh so interesting... like, what happened to them, really? Who do you think fell in love first? Like, they were all struggling to read all the books in the library and they liked each other at the same time... But I have the feeling that it was Takano. It's nice that we see Ritsu's point of view, otherwise I would think him an asshole

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Have you read all the manga? Takano mentions a few things about their past that Ritsu had forgotten, including suggestions of who fell in love first (as well as what happened with their fall-out and why Takano's such a mess).

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I have read all the manga but sometimes I mix things up, I have to read it again. I started translating it into Spanish, but had to stop before coming here. I remember Yokozawa said something about Ritsu breaking up with him then moving abroad, and that Takano investigated and found his university. Apparently he went to see him but he had a girlfriend, (but maybe that's from volume 4?) so Takano started drinking or something like that.
He really never forgot Ritsu, but Ritsu had even forgotten his face! U_U

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Yeah, the bit about finding out about his fiancee and thinking he'd been played ;~; poor guy~

Takano also mentioned to Ritsu that he'd known about him before Ritsu had confessed too, though, so that implies that he had either been watching Ritsu back or even before Ritsu had started watching him :3 So maybe he was the one who was attracted first??

I like how they show how fuzzy Ritsu's memory is by having Takano's face always blocked XD clever~

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Hahaha, we are having two conversations on Sekaiichi at the same time! I like that!

Oh, yeah, that makes me really wanna hug Takano, he has had a difficult life, poor guy...

Ah, he says that once, but if I remember correctly Ritsu doesn't ask him, right? Only wonders what he meant or something. Anyway, we learn that Ritsu was trying to read all the books that Takano had been reading first, but Takano/Saga was there because he read a lot and his parents were fighting a lot? really? then why is his house empty when they go there? I can only imagine that the fact that Ritsu was there made him stay longer.
Also, Ritsu mentions that he had a hobby in high school, like reading all the books in the library, so that means he was doing that anyway?

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Someone already mentioned it, but I think Usagi-san is said to have multiple publishers. His BL novels are Marukawa, though, definitely. XD Guess Onodera got some of his regular sorts of novels.

Aaand from the Hattori/Chiaki tracks of the drama CDs, the kissing/sex scene was actually just about as disjointed as it was in the anime, minus the rape. Chiaki wakes up to find Hattori kissing him and then having sex with him, then he passes out again and is just in his bed wondering what happened and why Hattori would do something like that if he is in love with Yuu. XD;;; I think it was still a bit better mulled-over in the drama CDs, but then, it had a little more time than just one anime episode.

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I downloaded the first novel (someone had scanned it) and saw that they had the rape in there, but it definitely didn't seem like anything more than kissing and a little fondling that we saw went on in the anime--definitely not a rape o_O or they REALLY glossed over it.

I definitely like the more attention that whole 'episode' received in the novels (and I assume the drama) cause then it didn't seem so random that Chiaki's all perfectly fine with them going out and never asks about Yuu or what they were doing.

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That episode was very confusing. And finding out what "really" happened just makes me like the way they got together even less :( I have a feeling I'm not going to like their episodes much in general.

Haha, I've spent the past couple weekends watching Junjou Romantica for the first time. I had about the same reaction seeing Takano in the last episode :D

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I like them getting together in the anime much more than in the novels--because at least there's no RAPE XD;;; I really like the concept of them (I'm a sucker for childhood friends, especially when one follows the other into his career to be close) and want to like them, and while they're my least favorite so far (and probably will remain that way), I definitely like them better than Egoist or Terrorist (I really only liked Romantica in JR--Terrorist was OK, and I flat out hate Egoist, which is unfortunately everyone's favorite).

I'm hoping the anime will do better with them than the novels seem to have done--and already they are, by removing Hatori kind of forcing himself onto Chiaki altogether. The kiss on the couch was kind of random, but I could easily see Chiaki thinking maybe he dreamed it or it was a sick hallucination, since he was down with fever all that time, so it's more believable that way than Chiaki just forgiving Hatori raping him out of the blue >_>;;

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Yeah, the way it went in the anime is definitely better. The childhood-friend thing is perfectly okay, and actually I thought they were pretty cute to begin with, before the out-of-nowhere kiss and fever thing. But I didn't like that Chiaki basically agreed to be with Hatori just because he was afraid of being abandoned by one of his best friends, and Hatori seemed to be fine with that.

But enough about that -- you hate Hiro and Nowaki?! I'd love to hear your reasons for that. Do you not like the characters, their relationship, or both?

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I do agree--it feels like it's setting Hatori up for disappointment as soon as Chiaki gets over his feelings of abandonment (or realizes Hatori wouldn't stop being his friend just because they couldn't be together romantically) which would probably be more realistic, but I suspect that over time (i.e. after sleeping together a lot :P) Chiaki will reciprocate romantic feelings ala Misaki or something. The 'love triangle' with Yuu will likely factor in, too. I hope they handle it well >_<;;

Re: Egoist, well first off, while I like Nowaki, I really don't like tsundere types that much (there's a reason I don't own any Silver Pair doujinshi even though I support the couple: because Shishido's always a complete ass to the ever-sweet, kind Ohtori), and Hiro frustrates me with how 95% of the time he treats Nowaki like crap, always pushes him away when he wants to show any affection, and despite being admittedly gay and in a relationship he agreed to...it's just not something I like to read about :(

I could understand that attitude if there were reasons behind it: Misaki's much the same way with Usagi-san (except he genuinely seems to care for Usagi-san, something I have to squint to find with Egoist), but he has issues of his own like not wanting to admit for a long time that he loved the guy just because he was a ~guy~. Shinobu's sharp with Miyagi, but at least he was the one who wanted to start the relationship in the first place. Ritsu wants little to nothing to do with Takano, but years back he was very much in love with the guy and just got burned.

I suppose I just feel like Nowaki deserves better and want to see him genuinely have his feelings completely returned and shown (I mean, I know Hiro loves him...I just need it shown more than Nowaki does, I suppose :P) by someone not embarrassed to be with him. I feel kinda hypocritical, but I definitely have reasons for disliking Egoist while still liking Romantica and others that seemingly have the same faults XD;

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Yeah, that's probably what will happen. I'm not really holding out much hope for those episodes, though if the love triangle is handled well it might make things interesting, at least. I wonder what the third couple is like~

(And for the rest of this I'm going to have to put a disclaimer and say that I watched both seasons of JR over the course of one night each, which means my memory might be a little fuzzy, or at least a little selective, for the episodes I watched way after I should have been asleep ;))

Ahh. See, I didn't consider Hiro to be a tsundere (you italicized it so I felt like I had to too :P) until I read it in a character description for him. I just thought of him as grumpy, and for whatever weird reason I'm a total sucker for grumpy characters ♥ And...maybe I was just too enamored with him to notice, or maybe I really am forgetting a lot, but I didn't think he was such a jerk to Nowaki, overall. Or at least, when he was he had a reason for it. I just got the feeling with those two that we were only seeing little snippets of their relationship, you know? They were together for 6 years, and the times we see them are all when Hiro is going through a rough patch -- when he's getting over Usagi-san, when he's emotionally exhausted from Nowaki running off all the time and being gone so long, and then when he's feeling insecure about their relationship because Nowaki's acting weird and sleeping half-naked with random guys. I do agree that it seemed like Hiro didn't appreciate Nowaki as much as he should, or rather that he didn't show that appreciation, but I guess I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he does show it in his own way, even if we didn't get to see those parts. The fact that he was so protective of those letters after finding them was really telling, I thought.

Since I didn't know anything about the fandom I didn't realize they were the general favorite couple, but they were definitely mine. Hiro was very quickly my favorite character overall, and I felt like they were the most realistic, real couple. They had some major communication issues, but things never got to the point of (completely) ridiculous before they would break down and actually talk to each other. (And I don't know what "ego" had to do with anything; to me they both just seemed oddly insecure.) They were also, I felt, the most balanced couple, and that is a major thing for me. I felt like they were each their own person before becoming involved, and were still their own person even after being together for so long. They enhanced each other's lives, rather than completely consuming them. Or something. It's hard to explain without sounding silly :P Maybe I should watch the episodes again to get a better idea of what I mean. Or read the manga/novels/whatever.

Of course, one of the reasons I liked them so much might just have been the contrast with the main couple -- here, no one was forcing themselves on anyone, and no one was preventing anyone from having a life outside the relationship :P

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(actually your memory is probably better than mine as I haven't rewatched any Egoist since it first aired last year XDD)

And you do have a point--they've been together the longest (though apparently in the manga Misaki's finishing college now, so he and Usagi-san have been together ~4ish years) and have the most normal relationship XD And we only get to see bits and slices of it.

I guess I just also don't like their drama (as in, the drama that THEY experience. I'm fine with the other couples' stories) with misunderstandings and whatnot. Maybe I just can't put my finger on any one thing that makes me not like them, but I don't >_<;; They hardly lack supporters, though, so I don't feel so bad XD;

And I quite like the main couple--so I suppose it's just "if you like one, chances are you don't like the other"? XD

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Well, I can definitely understand not liking someone/something and not being entirely sure why :) And I do agree that their story wasn't particularly exciting, I guess because it was the most "normal." But I thought they were adorable, so I didn't mind <3

Haha, maybe. I never could decide how I felt about Misaki and Usagi-san. There were a lot of things about that relationship I had an issue with, but it got a little better by the end, at least.

At any rate, minus the latest episode, so far I'm definitely liking SH better than JR overall. Onodera is awesome, and although Takano's being a little pushy I suppose he is still trying to make a point...I just hope he'll eventually realize there are other ways to get that point across. And I love that it's set at a publishing company~

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I do definitely like SH over JR, enough that I went and bought all the volumes like I mentioned in a previous post and read them in one sitting XD

Takano's very pushy, but rather than finding it distasteful, I mostly find it...sad. That he wants the old Ritsu that he's been unwaveringly missing for 10 years back so bad, he'd do most anything to try and get that point across. And I love when a couple who are at odds have these moments where they see perfectly eye to eye and even if it's just for a little bit of time really appreciate each other and "love" one another--and Onodera and Takano definitely have some of those :3

Plus Yukina and Kisa are like...awesome XD Kisa is the best uke I've ever seen in a BL show, I think, and I'm kinda depressed they'll probably get the least time in the show just because they've got the least material XD;;

And then of course, like you said, the manga publishing company setting in itself is really interesting :33333 Ngh, is it Friday yet?!

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Yeah I saw that, but I didn't read the post 'cause I don't wanna be spoiled~

Aww, when you think of it that way it is sad :( I wasn't counting his pushiness against him yet anyway, but in that context it is more understandable. It's just that when Takano said he was going to make Onodera fall in love with him again, I was hoping for something a little more subtle and...calculated, maybe, than just kissing him at every opportune moment. Buuut all we (as in those of us who haven't read ahead ;)) know of Takano so far is from Onodera's point of view, so there are probably other things going on.

I'm still very new to BL anime so I'll have to take your word on that ;) I am looking forward to them though, especially now that couple #2 have been a bit disappointing so far :(

It should be Friday!

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I was hoping for something a little more subtle and...calculated, maybe

Well, subtle and calculated are definitely not in Takano's vocabulary XD But to be fair, he DOES do a few stupidly sweet things that just bowl Ritsu right over, leading to those moments I mentioned loving XD A few more of those and Ritsu'll start seeing the light and remembering those fluttery feelings he used to have for his sempai :3

When you say new to BL anime--you mean like SH and JR are the first ones? Cause I can definitely recc some others!

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Well, subtle and calculated are definitely not in Takano's vocabulary XD

I didn't know that at the time! Either way they're fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to seeing how things progress~

Well, I watched Gravitation back in college, but other than that it's just been those two. Feel free to share those recs!

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